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are live welcome facebook welcome

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to a very special and kind of

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off-the-cuff episode of somewhere in the

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we have some very exciting breaking news

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from our very good friend

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uh jeremy corbell very good friend i

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forgot his name for a second there

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um our very very good friend

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investigative filmmaker jeremy corbell

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but more importantly look who we have

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with us today jason how you doing buddy

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i'm good you're a very good friend i

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forgot your name

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ryan of course ryan sprague how are you

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buddy

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it's been a while brother i know i know

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i've been uh

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kind of holed up and live in the hermit

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life lately i'm uh

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i'm as you can see not in my normal

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setting once again

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i escaped new york for the god

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i think the third time now since the

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lockdown so um

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i'm in hawaii so you'll probably hear a

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lot of birds chirping and

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dogs barking but um it's better than

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sirens and ambulances

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and and all that crazy stuff in new york

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so how are you doing

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um with everything everyone's getting

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vaccinated the world is reopening

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how's it going over there in arizona

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dude things are good

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things are good i mean it feels like

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we're slowly coming back to life

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things are getting back to normal trips

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are starting to be planned it's an

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exciting time so

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yeah yeah but i won't be back to

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being completely great until you and i

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can finally get together again

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and get into trouble in real life

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as we always do and we're already making

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those plans off

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air we've already kind of discussed when

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we're gonna make that happen

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and i'm excited man finally my job on

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broadway

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is hopefully coming back a lot of

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broadway shows have announced through

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yeah thank you yeah um now whether or

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not my

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specific job on broadway is coming back

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has yet to be seen but broadway itself

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is returning and i think we need live

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theater now

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more than ever so um hey

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yeah me too man not just because it pays

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the bills but it's just like

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i live and breathe theater i i know

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watch and support a lot of what i do

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know that that's what i do

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i live in new york i'm a struggling

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artist playwright

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actor director whatever you want to call

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it uh so i'm excited but um

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more exciting is all this crazy ufo news

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that we're gonna talk about today um

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let's see who we got in the chat first

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scott austin's here

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uh ben welcome to the show ben ben is

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um sounds muffled is that me do i sound

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i don't know um yeah let us know ben in

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second place

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for my ultimate summer in the skies fan

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art contest he did the uh

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the tic tac attack the terror in tehran

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uh the foo fighters one oh my god he

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no jason sends me so many and he's done

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such a great job

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you know not just with this contest but

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over the years

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and i think what you need to do with

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is you need to work with him and there

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needs to be somewhere in the skies

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graphic novel you pretty much already

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have half the novel there

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i've got it already there i know i know

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it's already there well i'm really

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to work with ben i think he's in

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australia um

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so we're definitely gonna get some sort

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of graphic novel thing going i've

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a lot of the artists who submitted about

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doing stuff like that and i was just so

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incredibly honored

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for all the submissions so if anyone out

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there is watching or listening

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and took part in the fan art contest

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thank you i was uh beyond

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overwhelmed by that but this isn't about

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me jason let's talk

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about the breaking news from our very

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good friend jeremy

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corbell and that is the uh the omaha

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go ahead and play the video that jeremy

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so let's go ahead and play that while uh

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yeah we have a 31 knot sustained with

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jeremy's dropped some some stuff in the

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past couple weeks that's been very

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and i i you know again whenever videos

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come out i know jason probably just like

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all right here we go here comes the

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weeks of arguments and debates

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and uh everything in between so jeremy

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definitely knows what he's doing but um

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initial reactions what do you think of

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this is cool you know we have certainly

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been hyped up

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in uh just just the last year really um

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to this trans-medium vehicle

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uh you know discussion about vehicles

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maneuver under water and even in some

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cases re-emerge from the water and

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go back to flying in the sky very cool

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cool you got to consider the

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the origin of the video from a military

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researchers and this one i think the

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at the debrief already got confirmation

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that this is in fact an authentic video

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lots of unanswered questions but in

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individual websites they have the

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the sort of dialogue that we heard going

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if you weren't able to get what was

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some intrigue to the video as well it's

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really cool to watch

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we're kind of left with more questions

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than anything you know we can look at it

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as as viewers as an audience and go wow

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until we get more data and everything

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jeremy laid the context out for this one

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pretty well it wasn't just

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a blurry video that we knew nothing

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depicts uap event series that reached a

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surprised that it did that

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of the incredible energy capacity

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of the craft so again whether we're

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a uh rival nation the technology being

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i think is again what always astounds me

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and continues to astound the people

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shooting these videos

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where this story

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breakdowns in the

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next couple days we'll probably see

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mainstream media picking it up again

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in a little bit but yeah anything else

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breaking story story by uh jeremy

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people to remember that we are working

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with extremely limited data here

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we don't know the context in which it

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we don't know if you know this was part

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were well aware of what was going on you

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we and looks weird on the camera

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on the video as they're doing it and so

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i mean we really don't know we know that

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which is is helpful

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missing details that we don't have so

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and we can hope that we get more

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information but

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again if this is part of a military

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training exercise or even if it's not

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even if it is a true unknown

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i mean it raises a lot of questions too

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as to why this video

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is an unclassified video would the

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military

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really release a video and and have it

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be unclassified

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if it were a true unknown if the

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military did not know what it was if

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they thought

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it was a threat and obviously anything

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they don't know what it is

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it is viewed as a threat so why is this

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the leak leaking information is a

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completely separate issue

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but the fact that this not only is

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reportedly

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an unclassified video but also the

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second it drops

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the pentagon is happy to say yes

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we're happy to confirm that that came

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from official navy sources

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that is such a good point i mean yeah

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what is going on yeah we i mean we had

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the three original navy videos that

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dropped

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um that we know were given to

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christopher mellon

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released to the new york times and look

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how long it took

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for the pentagon to comment or

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officially acknowledge the videos

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but you're right now that the task force

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is in motion

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that the report is going to be due in

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supposedly june we'll see if that

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happens

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um why are they so quick to be like yup

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that is yup yup yup

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i do wonder too why not only the videos

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are being released but

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why are they being leaked and to whom

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i think we we always have to keep in

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mind who's getting this stuff whether

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it's

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jeremy or the debrief or uh rogue planet

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or literally anyone why are they um why

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are they doing it the motive behind

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leaking these things who's doing it

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and we might not ever know those answers

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but uh yeah man

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i think it's it's good i'll take all the

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uap videos we can

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even if they're unclassified or even if

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they're um you know

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not even if they are explained um

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they're still cool to look at and to try

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to figure out

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so um yeah yeah well cool let's um

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i guess move on to our our next story

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and you did mention micah hanks over at

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the debrief this was a story that the

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debrief

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broke um maybe about a week ago or so

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with um tim mcmillan

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uh this was the um the ig evaluating the

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uap

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task force um yeah this is pretty

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interesting we're learning that uh the

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task force now has someone

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overseeing the work that they're doing

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they seem to not be too

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happy with how they're handling the

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whole issue over there

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so uh yeah looks like we're gonna get

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the uh the general going in to kind of

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evaluate

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what's going on so what do you make of

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this whole story

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well it's interesting and again we're

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just left with assumption we don't know

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what prompted this uh

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involvement of the inspector general um

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we also know that i think the report or

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not take that long so they may have

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already concluded what they needed to

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conclude but

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but regardless we have only

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a few options here as to why the ig

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would get involved

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and you look at the purpose of the ig

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what they do the department of defense

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office of inspector general

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they their mission they have three

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bullet points of their mission

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the first is to detect and deter fraud

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waste and abuse in the department of

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defense programs in operation

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if that's why they're involved with

387
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what's going on with this report request

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that's not really a good sign you know

389
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that would

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indicate that somebody views this as a

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waste of time

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a waste of money um and not not worth

393
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a worthwhile effort that wouldn't be

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good um the second

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part of their mission is to promote the

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economy efficiency

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and effectiveness of the dod that's

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likely what's going on here

399
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because somebody may have raised a

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concern that

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the this process wasn't going as as

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speedy as they would like it to

403
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or that understandably there are actors

404
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in this process who aren't cooperating

405
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and that right there is what prompted

406
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the report request to start with

407
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we have this already strange issue of

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of ufos but you have a government and

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military

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that doesn't like to talk to each other

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you've got these different agencies and

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different branches of the military

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that are sort of in competition even

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though they're on the same side

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they're doing their own thing and not

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necessarily wanting to share

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all the data with the other branches and

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agencies

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and so this report request was primarily

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made

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to try to facilitate some information

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sharing and come up with a plan

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for these agencies and departments to

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share information

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so they get a better picture of what's

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going on in the world of ufos

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and what these other branches are

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experiencing and how they're handling it

429
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all of that so it's a big communication

430
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problem from the outset

431
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so it makes sense that the ig would come

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in

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facilitate some uh you know

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communication

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and get that information sharing to

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happen i think that's probably what's

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happening here

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but we don't know the third part of

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their mission is to help ensure ethical

440
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conduct

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throughout the dod again

442
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we could see many problems here and as

443
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we just talked about this

444
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seemingly rampant leaking of information

445
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from the uap task force what is going on

446
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like and they're only one of the actors

447
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in this report request they're not the

448
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ones putting the report together

449
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they're one of the people one of the

450
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groups that was asked to assemble

451
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information for this report

452
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so the fact that already in briefings

453
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they're giving

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their information their videos their

455
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photos are leaking

456
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out to everybody it

457
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certainly would raise questions i would

458
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think in in the government

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and so ig possibly stepping in to

460
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ensure ethical conduct that that's a

461
00:17:20,630 --> 00:17:18,720
real possibility as well i think right

462
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right ethical conduct meaning

463
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probably whoever's leaking all this

464
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stuff as well

465
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you really do have to wonder right yeah

466
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and they just rolled this thing out they

467
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just started this process and already

468
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it's just falling apart you know they've

469
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got no

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no integrity with the whole process it's

471
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it's just red flags all over the place

472
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and and can't be good for the longevity

473
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of any sort of ufo project

474
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right well let me ask you that i mean

475
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project blue book ran for

476
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you know how many years do you think

477
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something like this uip task force

478
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is going to um become a consistent thing

479
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i mean right now it's looking like

480
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it's uh working out a lot of kinks and

481
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they have no idea what the hell they're

482
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really doing but

483
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um you know i talked to christopher

484
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mellon i think yesterday

485
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about this uh will there be a consistent

486
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you know sort of branch or office set up

487
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not just a task force

488
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you know we know task forces as we go

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after

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something we solve it we move on task

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force sort of dissipates

492
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but will this become an official program

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like atip again what do you think

494
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right yeah that's that's a good question

495
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and and you're right task force

496
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are are specific to a task they are

497
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temporary and uh you know often very

498
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short-lived they're they're just these

499
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these brief things that come on to to do

500
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a purpose and they're done

501
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in this case it seems to be to help get

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information for this report

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um as far as a permanent

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group specifically looking at the ufo

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issue and actually doing

506
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investigation i think it's looking more

507
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and more

508
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like something like that will probably

509
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happen however i don't see it running as

510
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long

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as something like project blue book

512
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because here's the other confusing thing

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the military and the government have

514
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been down this road so many times before

515
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and they've reached con conclusions so

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many times before

517
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so why would they then do the same thing

518
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again and again and again and likely

519
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reach the same conclusion

520
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it seems like a waste of time and a

521
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waste of money and maybe that's why the

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ig is getting involved

523
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but it's already gone down this road and

524
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like you said

525
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researched it for decades and

526
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reached an ultimate conclusion of number

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one they don't pose a threat but number

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two

529
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we're not really going to gain anything

530
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new by continuing to

531
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spend the time and energy into

532
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looking at this there's no more we can

533
00:19:52,470 --> 00:19:50,720
do let's move on

534
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and that's what they've done that's what

535
00:19:57,350 --> 00:19:53,919
the uk did

536
00:19:59,270 --> 00:19:57,360
it in honestly and you know this as ufo

537
00:19:59,990 --> 00:19:59,280
researchers we we live and breathe this

538
00:20:03,350 --> 00:20:00,000
stuff

539
00:20:07,110 --> 00:20:03,360
but that's the hard reality of ufos

540
00:20:09,350 --> 00:20:07,120
it's an unsolvable mystery because ufos

541
00:20:11,590 --> 00:20:09,360
aren't one singular thing we group them

542
00:20:13,750 --> 00:20:11,600
into the ufo phenomenon

543
00:20:15,510 --> 00:20:13,760
just because that's you know they're

544
00:20:16,149 --> 00:20:15,520
related in that sense and that they're

545
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they're

546
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mysterious things in the sky and the

547
00:20:23,430 --> 00:20:20,080
water and other places too

548
00:20:26,230 --> 00:20:23,440
but it's a very broad

549
00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:26,240
you know sort of collection of various

550
00:20:29,909 --> 00:20:27,360
things that are happening

551
00:20:31,350 --> 00:20:29,919
most of which are completely unrelated

552
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:31,360
every ufo sighting is

553
00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:34,480
different every ufo is different

554
00:20:38,070 --> 00:20:36,000
they share some similarities and some

555
00:20:40,070 --> 00:20:38,080
might be related but

556
00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:40,080
they're all separate incidents so just

557
00:20:45,830 --> 00:20:42,480
because you solve one or identify one

558
00:20:48,549 --> 00:20:45,840
that doesn't mean that all ufos are that

559
00:20:50,390 --> 00:20:48,559
you know it and it's not even giving you

560
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:50,400
a small piece of a puzzle

561
00:20:56,070 --> 00:20:54,000
it's just i don't know it's such a grand

562
00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:56,080
thing that has so many different

563
00:21:00,950 --> 00:20:57,360
elements to it

564
00:21:02,149 --> 00:21:00,960
that studying one ufo is not going to

565
00:21:05,510 --> 00:21:02,159
give you the answers

566
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:05,520
to the phenomenon you know so

567
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i i think it's a winless battle i really

568
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do um

569
00:21:12,549 --> 00:21:11,600
but that being said i never think we

570
00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:12,559
should stop

571
00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:14,400
looking into it it is a mystery and it

572
00:21:18,390 --> 00:21:16,640
deserves to be studied and i

573
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:18,400
firmly believe that the scientific

574
00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:20,080
community should be the ones looking

575
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:21,440
into this because the governments

576
00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:22,799
in the military have done what they're

577
00:21:25,669 --> 00:21:24,480
doing and they're looking at it from a

578
00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:25,679
military

579
00:21:31,350 --> 00:21:28,720
threat perspective but this goes

580
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:31,360
way beyond you know their their

581
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:32,960
viewpoint what they're used to looking

582
00:21:35,750 --> 00:21:33,600
at

583
00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:35,760
and we need the scientific community the

584
00:21:39,110 --> 00:21:37,840
mainstream scientific community taking

585
00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:39,120
this seriously

586
00:21:43,590 --> 00:21:42,000
and doing an ongoing evaluation of it

587
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:43,600
because it's something that's always

588
00:21:47,830 --> 00:21:46,400
changing and always different it's a

589
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:47,840
frustrating thing again they're not

590
00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:48,880
going to find answers

591
00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:50,799
but they might be able to solve some

592
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:52,320
things they might be able to be able to

593
00:21:55,669 --> 00:21:53,360
provide insight

594
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:55,679
into some things and as you know ryan

595
00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:57,440
i'm a proponent of doing all the things

596
00:22:01,350 --> 00:21:58,559
all the time

597
00:22:02,549 --> 00:22:01,360
so i don't i certainly don't think that

598
00:22:05,669 --> 00:22:02,559
the government should stop

599
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:05,679
you know i do think that there is a

600
00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:07,919
potential threat there when you don't

601
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:08,880
know what something

602
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:10,880
in your airspace is that's obviously a

603
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:12,640
potential threat it doesn't mean that

604
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:14,640
whatever is in the sky being seen

605
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:16,320
is hostile it means that it's a

606
00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:17,840
potential threat because you have no

607
00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:19,280
idea what it is

608
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:21,120
so obviously the military needs to look

609
00:22:25,669 --> 00:22:23,360
into that and one could argue

610
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:25,679
they do i mean that's what the military

611
00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:27,600
does that's what the air force is

612
00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:28,480
charged with

613
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:30,320
and perhaps why the air force who's

614
00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:31,840
already gone down this road so many

615
00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:32,960
times before

616
00:22:36,149 --> 00:22:35,679
has been very silent in letting the navy

617
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:36,159
you know

618
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:38,640
yap all at once because the air force

619
00:22:43,750 --> 00:22:40,720
this is what they do this is their

620
00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:43,760
day-to-day job they are charged with our

621
00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:44,480
airspace

622
00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:48,320
so

623
00:22:52,390 --> 00:22:50,640
you know that's what the military is and

624
00:22:55,029 --> 00:22:52,400
that's what the military does

625
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:55,039
so separating it out into something

626
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:55,760
different

627
00:22:59,909 --> 00:22:58,320
seems kind of silly but at the same time

628
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:59,919
with the limited information we're

629
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:00,720
getting

630
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:03,120
it seems like it might be necessary so

631
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:04,640
who knows i mean we're again

632
00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:06,559
with all things ufo and certainly with

633
00:23:11,909 --> 00:23:08,720
the government and understandably so

634
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:11,919
we're only getting very small bits of

635
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:14,880
information and we're not uh privy to

636
00:23:19,110 --> 00:23:15,280
what

637
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:19,120
doing right yeah we aren't getting the

638
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:20,159
full picture and

639
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:22,400
they seem to love to do these things in

640
00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:23,200
little

641
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:27,039
good point of the

642
00:23:30,390 --> 00:23:29,520
scientific community uh we had a really

643
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:30,400
good story

644
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:33,840
um that we we did over at uh

645
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:36,720
medium actually with on the trail of

646
00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:39,120
ufos with bryce sable

647
00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:41,360
where i spoke to robert powell at the

648
00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:43,039
scientific coalition for

649
00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:46,320
uap studies and they were able to get 55

650
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:49,360
members of the scu to go

651
00:23:53,669 --> 00:23:52,080
on the record sign a petition to the

652
00:23:57,029 --> 00:23:53,679
senate intelligence committee

653
00:23:59,190 --> 00:23:57,039
and you know seemingly the pentagon uh

654
00:24:01,590 --> 00:23:59,200
to work with them you have these

655
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:01,600
brilliant minds from all over the world

656
00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:04,559
interested in the uap topic ready to do

657
00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:05,360
science

658
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:06,720
ready to show them what they've

659
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:09,120
discovered about you know the tic tac

660
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:12,000
video or uh the aguadia puerto rico

661
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:12,960
airport

662
00:24:16,149 --> 00:24:15,600
case and uh bring it to them to be like

663
00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:16,159
hey

664
00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:17,679
you know if you're looking at this and

665
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:19,039
it's a potential threat and you want to

666
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:20,480
understand the technology

667
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:22,720
here's some physicists here's some

668
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:24,960
people that do this kind of science

669
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:27,440
like let's work with them so um i

670
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:28,799
thought that was pretty cool to see that

671
00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:29,279
they

672
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:32,320
lot of the

673
00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:33,760
academics and scientists in the

674
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:35,679
coalition were willing to put their

675
00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:37,200
names out there and be like

676
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:38,720
there's something to this we got to look

677
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:40,799
into this so yeah let's hope

678
00:24:45,029 --> 00:24:43,760
it's so so valuable and from a

679
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:45,039
government standpoint from

680
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:47,760
from government studies military studies

681
00:24:50,950 --> 00:24:49,039
that is sorely needed

682
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:50,960
because people need to remember that

683
00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:53,520
people in the uap task force people

684
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:56,320
you know assigned to various posts

685
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:57,840
within the military to

686
00:25:03,029 --> 00:25:00,880
look at ufos are very

687
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:03,039
unlikely to be people who are familiar

688
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:04,240
with ufos

689
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:06,880
with ufo history with really anything

690
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:08,400
related to ufos

691
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:11,840
so it's very valuable to have the input

692
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:13,679
from from people on the outside people

693
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:15,120
have looked into this before

694
00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:18,400
including from a uh you know

695
00:25:21,669 --> 00:25:20,720
an explanation or even a debunking

696
00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:21,679
standpoint

697
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:23,679
because we in the ufo community are

698
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:25,440
hyper focused on this stuff

699
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:28,559
and we for lack of a better or not lack

700
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:29,679
of a better this is

701
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:32,640
the best expression um bursting the

702
00:25:36,390 --> 00:25:33,279
bubble

703
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:36,400
or bursting a balloon because that is

704
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:38,799
what we've been able to do by analyzing

705
00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:40,880
and being so hyper focused on so many

706
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:42,640
videos and photos over the years

707
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:45,760
that if we see not that we're we're

708
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:47,440
experts by any means nobody's an expert

709
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:48,400
in ufos

710
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:51,200
but we've seen videos of balloons before

711
00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:54,480
doing crazy things we've seen videos of

712
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:56,559
chinese lanterns doing strange things in

713
00:26:02,310 --> 00:25:59,440
the sky we've seen videos of

714
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:02,320
blimps you know for certain perspectives

715
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:04,159
that look very bizarre in the night sky

716
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:06,640
and look like they're doing some alien

717
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:08,400
otherworldly maneuvers

718
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:10,000
i mean this is stuff that we've seen

719
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:12,000
before and been disappointed because

720
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:14,159
we've found terrestrial explanations for

721
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:15,760
things conventional explanations

722
00:26:21,909 --> 00:26:18,880
but that is really ninety percent of

723
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:21,919
a ufo researcher's job i think so that's

724
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:23,360
just responsible

725
00:26:27,269 --> 00:26:25,840
investigation right there and that is

726
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:27,279
what i think the government needs right

727
00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:28,159
now because

728
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:29,840
again these are just people they're not

729
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:31,279
trained in this stuff they're just

730
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:32,480
normal people

731
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:36,480
and when you see something that is

732
00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:37,919
unusual to you something you haven't

733
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:39,679
seen before and uh

734
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:41,279
you know something in an environment or

735
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:42,799
a situation that

736
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:44,240
you haven't seen before it's gonna look

737
00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:46,320
alien it's gonna look very foreign

738
00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:49,600
so you know and that still happens to us

739
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:50,960
all the time because we are always

740
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:53,520
exposed to to new experiences

741
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:56,080
that is just part of being human i mean

742
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:58,320
i'm i'm an extraterrestrial myself so i

743
00:27:01,830 --> 00:26:59,120
can't speak

744
00:27:02,710 --> 00:27:01,840
all that much but i mean you know what

745
00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:02,720
i'm saying i mean

746
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:04,880
it's just something that comes with with

747
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:06,080
years of being exposed

748
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:08,240
to this and being hyper focused on it

749
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:10,480
that not other people really have the

750
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:11,679
the benefit of having in their

751
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:13,760
wheelhouse yeah

752
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:16,320
i think the more i get into the ufo

753
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:17,120
topic

754
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:20,159
and the more i start to um

755
00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:23,919
i guess get more scientifically based

756
00:27:27,029 --> 00:27:24,799
with it you know i

757
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:27,039
am a guy who comes from a world of

758
00:27:29,830 --> 00:27:28,960
telling stories so i love witness

759
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:29,840
testimony

760
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:31,600
i love telling ufo stories i love

761
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:33,360
hearing ufo stories

762
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:36,000
but i think i'm kind of entering a new

763
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:37,440
age of my own

764
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:39,279
i wouldn't even call it investigation

765
00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:41,520
because i'm not really an investigator

766
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:44,480
um but my research is i'm excited to

767
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:45,440
find prosaic

768
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:48,080
explanations for a lot of these things

769
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:49,120
because i think that's

770
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:52,159
awesome that that technology does exist

771
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:54,399
on this planet now if it's in the hands

772
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:56,399
of an adversary who wants to use it

773
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:58,240
against the united states that's another

774
00:28:01,909 --> 00:28:00,240
problem but we're not seeing that we're

775
00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:01,919
not seeing these technology

776
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:05,200
displayed in a very malevolent nature

777
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:06,720
they might be like you said that

778
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:08,880
potential threat will always be there

779
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:10,640
because we don't know what it is and the

780
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:12,240
potential threat can come in how we

781
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:13,120
react

782
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:16,720
to it as well um but yeah i think it's

783
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:18,000
awesome when we can

784
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:21,600
have scientists uh or photographic or

785
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:22,960
video analysts

786
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:25,760
explain what we're looking at and not

787
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:26,799
debunk but

788
00:28:30,149 --> 00:28:29,279
you know just analyze it and say hey i

789
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:30,159
don't think we're

790
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:32,720
dealing with you know a craft from zeta

791
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:33,760
reticuli

792
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:35,840
this is what it could be i think that's

793
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:38,480
cool and i think um the ufo community

794
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:40,640
has to be more open to that and not

795
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:42,480
immediately dismiss

796
00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:45,600
the uh the skeptics out there um

797
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:47,440
coming up with explanations for this

798
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:48,960
we're gonna see a ton

799
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:52,240
of um presumed or uh

800
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:54,799
uh theories on what jeremy corbell

801
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:55,919
released today

802
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:57,679
coming out in the next couple days we

803
00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:59,840
know that that's how these things work

804
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:01,360
and we're going to see people arguing in

805
00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:03,360
the first 30 minutes we already saw 30

806
00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:04,640
minutes dude

807
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:06,799
even in the chat here nick west already

808
00:29:10,389 --> 00:29:07,840
yeah balloon so

809
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:10,399
i mean it happens and look that stuff is

810
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:11,279
very valuable

811
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:13,919
and it's it's extremely valuable and

812
00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:15,600
important for the ufo community

813
00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:17,840
to accept that as an important part of

814
00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:20,240
ufo research because it really is

815
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:23,200
and it only does a disservice to the

816
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:25,360
credibility of ufo research

817
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:28,640
to come out you know with your your bull

818
00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:30,480
horn and announcing everything is

819
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:32,240
is extraterrestrial spacecraft or the

820
00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:34,559
most most amazing ufo video

821
00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:36,320
ever seen and everybody needs to see

822
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:38,640
this and this is world changing

823
00:29:41,830 --> 00:29:41,279
because you know what things really

824
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:41,840
aren't

825
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:43,840
like that i mean they are to us in the

826
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:45,360
ufo community but

827
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:46,799
the world's going to watch stuff like

828
00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:48,720
that it'll

829
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,559
you know make its rounds on twitter and

830
00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:52,320
on media outlets around the world

831
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:55,200
for for a few days but then people move

832
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:56,240
on i mean

833
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:58,159
it's not going to change their lives we

834
00:30:00,789 --> 00:29:59,279
get excited about it

835
00:30:02,789 --> 00:30:00,799
because it's what we do and it's where

836
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:02,799
our fascination and interests lie

837
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:05,039
but that's the way it works and we only

838
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:06,399
look ridiculous

839
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:09,360
and it makes the whole subject of ufos

840
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:10,240
seem like

841
00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:13,120
that that old stereotype of of crazy

842
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:13,919
nuts

843
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:16,559
when we loudly proclaim things every

844
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:17,760
single video

845
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:20,960
as being an alien spaceship and

846
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:23,919
ridiculing and chastising anybody who

847
00:30:28,149 --> 00:30:25,520
comes up with a plausible

848
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:28,159
or alternative explanation it's really

849
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:29,039
sloppy

850
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:32,159
it's detrimental to legitimate ufo study

851
00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:34,320
and i i agree with you ryan i think i

852
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:36,320
think any time you can come up with a

853
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:37,919
prosaic explanation

854
00:30:42,789 --> 00:30:40,640
it is a fantastic win and it's a great

855
00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:42,799
learning experience it really helps ufo

856
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:44,559
research is going forward

857
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:46,880
to be able to identify things that we've

858
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:48,240
identified in the past

859
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:50,640
to get past that and you know focus on

860
00:30:55,029 --> 00:30:52,960
the more more exciting things

861
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:55,039
yep and that's exactly what this comment

862
00:30:58,710 --> 00:30:56,399
here from tanino

863
00:30:59,909 --> 00:30:58,720
uh says the debugging is exactly what

864
00:31:02,149 --> 00:30:59,919
helps us recognize

865
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:02,159
what's worth digging deeper into i think

866
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:03,360
he summarized that

867
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:06,480
very well once we have an explanation we

868
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:07,279
can then

869
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:09,760
infuse that into every new ufo case

870
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:10,880
going forward

871
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:12,880
build off of it and be like huh we still

872
00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:14,080
have a true unknown

873
00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:16,240
so yeah it's exciting it's absolutely

874
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:17,360
exciting um

875
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:19,600
well i guess let's move on to our next

876
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:20,640
story bit

877
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:24,240
more on the i'd say contentious side

878
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:26,960
my hero in the ufo field and i know many

879
00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:28,000
others as well

880
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:30,880
jacques valet computer scientist ufo

881
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:33,840
researcher folklorist renaissance man

882
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:37,679
in every way shape and form uh was

883
00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:40,320
going to be coming out with a book uh

884
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:41,360
that we

885
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:43,519
presumed he was writing by himself all

886
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:44,720
about his work

887
00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:48,080
with uh possible materials recovered

888
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:49,600
from ufo craft

889
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:52,240
and everyone was super excited um it

890
00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:52,880
finally

891
00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:55,360
went up on amazon for pre-order and i

892
00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:56,399
know everyone was

893
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:58,080
like click click click click and then

894
00:32:02,230 --> 00:31:59,760
boom it disappeared

895
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:02,240
so immediately everyone shouted cover up

896
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:04,559
they got to him it's not coming out now

897
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:06,880
and then a couple days later uh

898
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:08,159
something

899
00:32:13,269 --> 00:32:11,039
breaks that uh jacques valet is working

900
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:13,279
with italian ufo researcher

901
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:16,159
paola harris uh the book has been

902
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:16,960
re-edited

903
00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:19,279
things have been included into it and

904
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:20,480
this is a case

905
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:23,039
um that i was not familiar with jason

906
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:25,039
the trinity ufo case

907
00:32:30,870 --> 00:32:29,039
a possible ufo crash prior to roswell so

908
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:30,880
before we get into the contention

909
00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:33,440
with who jacques working with and uh

910
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:34,399
even the case

911
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:36,720
have you heard of the trinity case and

912
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:38,399
is there anything you can tell us about

913
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:40,000
it

914
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:43,120
yeah absolutely so you know first of all

915
00:32:46,870 --> 00:32:44,399
i was

916
00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:46,880
very very caught off guard and surprised

917
00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:48,240
when i saw that that's what this book

918
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:49,519
was going to be about

919
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:52,159
um and even more surprised to see

920
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:54,159
jacques vale's involvement with it

921
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:58,080
um but first yeah the the case from 1945

922
00:33:01,269 --> 00:33:00,720
it's been around for for quite a while

923
00:33:04,470 --> 00:33:01,279
um

924
00:33:06,789 --> 00:33:04,480
and many many ufo researchers have spent

925
00:33:10,149 --> 00:33:06,799
quite a bit of time looking into it

926
00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:10,159
um but it really involves

927
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:12,799
two key witnesses at least to this point

928
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:13,760
we know there are more

929
00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:17,200
in this new book coming out but

930
00:33:21,269 --> 00:33:19,760
these two boys were aged seven and nine

931
00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:21,279
i believe at the time

932
00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:23,600
and this is in new mexico at the the

933
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:25,519
trinity site which is now part of white

934
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:26,799
sands missile range

935
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:30,399
but this was where part of the manhattan

936
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:31,200
project

937
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:34,559
the first nuclear detonation took place

938
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:37,440
and these boys during that that summer

939
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:38,960
they they were there

940
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:42,880
um during the the nuclear test and

941
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:45,840
shortly after that they claimed that up

942
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:46,799
on a ridge they

943
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:49,919
they saw a a ufo crash

944
00:33:56,710 --> 00:33:53,039
and a subsequent uh retrieval

945
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:56,720
that took place by the air force um

946
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:58,960
and it was a really interesting

947
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:00,000
retrieval too

948
00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:03,039
where like the the soldiers came

949
00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:05,679
to the house and asked if they could cut

950
00:34:10,069 --> 00:34:07,279
part of the fence away

951
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:10,079
because they needed to expand the area

952
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:11,839
so they could bring in heavy machinery

953
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:12,720
to recover

954
00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:15,760
a research balloon um

955
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:17,359
so they they brought in machinery they

956
00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:19,440
like built

957
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:21,679
like used road building equipment and

958
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:24,399
made made an expanded road to bring in

959
00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:26,560
like a big flatbed truck to load

960
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:29,280
whatever craft this was that crashed

961
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:31,440
these witnesses claimed they even saw

962
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:33,200
alien bodies

963
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:36,800
and claimed to have both recovered

964
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:40,320
material and also like sort of concealed

965
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:42,000
it like threw it down in this trench

966
00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:44,159
so people would be able to find it later

967
00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:45,119
and

968
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:47,119
these guys over the years tried to get

969
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:48,879
they tried to raise money and tried to

970
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:50,240
get people to go out and do an

971
00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:51,040
excavation

972
00:34:58,069 --> 00:34:54,399
to uncover some of this material um

973
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:58,079
i know personally you know at open minds

974
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:59,040
we were

975
00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:00,960
and many other people too apparently

976
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:02,400
many other researchers

977
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:04,320
were approached by some of these people

978
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:06,640
involved wanting tens of thousands of

979
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:07,599
dollars

980
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:11,200
uh to buy this alleged alien material

981
00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:12,960
um you know so there were there were

982
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:14,320
many red flags for

983
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:16,079
for a lot of us and you know anytime

984
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:17,760
that happens that that leaves a bad

985
00:35:23,829 --> 00:35:20,079
taste in your mouth it raises red flags

986
00:35:25,109 --> 00:35:23,839
so i mean i just from my personal

987
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:25,119
knowledge of it in my personal

988
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:26,480
experience with it

989
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:30,640
i'm i'm very skeptical um very

990
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:33,440
very not not a fan of this case that

991
00:35:37,270 --> 00:35:34,560
being said though

992
00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:37,280
i am objective and open-minded and of

993
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:38,079
course

994
00:35:42,069 --> 00:35:40,560
i will get the book i will read it and

995
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:42,079
lastly i checked i think the kindle

996
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:43,760
version is actually available for sale

997
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:44,000
right

998
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:47,440
now so that is available on amazon

999
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:50,560
um but you know where where jacques

1000
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:52,000
valet comes in

1001
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:56,079
yes he is an icon of ufo research

1002
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:59,440
i respect him immensely um

1003
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:01,200
and and not saying that anything in this

1004
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:03,839
book you know won't be

1005
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:06,320
very exciting or or you know

1006
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:07,520
earth-shattering or

1007
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:08,880
there'll be you know some some

1008
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:10,800
interesting uh metal early

1009
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:12,960
metallurgy testing that that is revealed

1010
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:13,920
in this

1011
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:15,599
that's what i'm hoping for and i will

1012
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:18,240
look at but we also have to keep in mind

1013
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:20,320
and this is another very important part

1014
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:23,359
of being a responsible ufo researcher

1015
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:26,000
is you know that great line from the

1016
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:26,880
x-files

1017
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:29,680
trusts no one that's going a little far

1018
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:30,160
you know

1019
00:36:35,829 --> 00:36:33,280
but it's the right sentiment because

1020
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:35,839
we have to be careful not to put people

1021
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:36,880
not to put anybody

1022
00:36:40,790 --> 00:36:39,760
up on a pedestal so high that we fall

1023
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:40,800
into

1024
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:44,079
hero worship and we're blindly following

1025
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:45,760
things people say just because we

1026
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:47,760
respect them or because

1027
00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:50,480
they're heralded as as heroes in the ufo

1028
00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:52,560
field

1029
00:36:56,069 --> 00:36:54,560
you really really have to remain

1030
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:56,079
objective no matter where the

1031
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:58,079
information is coming from

1032
00:37:01,910 --> 00:37:00,160
um you have to remain objective and

1033
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:01,920
understand that people are still

1034
00:37:07,349 --> 00:37:05,359
just people we're all just humans and

1035
00:37:09,430 --> 00:37:07,359
someone like jacques not saying this is

1036
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:09,440
the case but you have to remember

1037
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:11,520
he's been in this game for a very long

1038
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:15,520
time he's 81 years old i believe

1039
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:17,839
we've seen so many you know very

1040
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:18,800
credible people

1041
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:20,880
very high high-ranking military

1042
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:22,560
officials government officials

1043
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:25,680
paul hellyer who is also um

1044
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:27,599
tied to this book a little bit because

1045
00:37:31,829 --> 00:37:30,160
uh paula harris is a big fan of his and

1046
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:31,839
and you know has done some work with him

1047
00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:34,079
and had him speak at her conference and

1048
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:36,320
i think he has a blurb on on this book

1049
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:38,480
but paul hellyer's like 97

1050
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:41,760
you know and he's made some incredible

1051
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:44,960
wild claims um you know but

1052
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:47,280
primarily based on things he read

1053
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:48,240
primarily

1054
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:51,359
uh you know timothy goods books um

1055
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:54,880
so it becomes more and more

1056
00:37:58,390 --> 00:37:56,320
i don't know you have to tiptoe a little

1057
00:37:59,190 --> 00:37:58,400
bit when when people start getting older

1058
00:38:01,270 --> 00:37:59,200
and older

1059
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:01,280
and in the case of jacques we don't know

1060
00:38:04,870 --> 00:38:03,119
how much he was involved in this either

1061
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:04,880
you know i mean like yeah you're asking

1062
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:07,200
me to write a book with you i'd go

1063
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:10,640
ryan okay i like you enough

1064
00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:13,040
i guess i'll do it um you can put my

1065
00:38:16,390 --> 00:38:14,720
name on the book but i'm not going to do

1066
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:16,400
anything you do it i'm too busy

1067
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:18,480
all right we don't know i'm not saying

1068
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:19,760
that's what happened and i

1069
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:21,440
i seriously doubt it i mean jacques is

1070
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:23,040
very very methodical

1071
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:25,359
and uh you know he's very interested in

1072
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:26,400
in evidence and

1073
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:29,440
in testing and and the science so i

1074
00:38:31,349 --> 00:38:30,800
suspect there'll be something good in

1075
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:31,359
here

1076
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:33,599
i can't wait to read the book but you

1077
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:35,200
know from the details we have in my

1078
00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:36,640
personal experience

1079
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:39,680
i do not like this case at all yeah

1080
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:42,720
see and that's kind of uh where i lay

1081
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:44,560
right now too i know when the news first

1082
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:45,200
broke

1083
00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:47,839
i immediately hopped on the shaming

1084
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:49,520
bandwagon that we do

1085
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:52,480
on twitter and everything of oh my god

1086
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:54,720
you know what he's working on this case

1087
00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:55,200
and

1088
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:56,800
you know i reached out to you a couple

1089
00:39:00,150 --> 00:38:58,560
other people you said the case isn't

1090
00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:00,160
like really worth the time

1091
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:02,400
but um look i mean michael says right

1092
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:04,000
here paiola harris has

1093
00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:05,760
credibility problems alien mummy

1094
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:08,480
exploitation star brother contactee

1095
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:11,760
cultism and um we can't ignore that

1096
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:14,480
i think that's where my trepidation lay

1097
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:15,200
in

1098
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:17,760
jacques connection to this is um the

1099
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:18,880
controversial stuff

1100
00:39:21,990 --> 00:39:21,599
that his co-author has been involved

1101
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:22,000
with

1102
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:25,200
but but i haven't read the book

1103
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:27,280
i don't know the research they did we

1104
00:39:30,069 --> 00:39:29,040
don't know the results shock has come up

1105
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:30,079
with with these

1106
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:33,280
materials so just like you um i'm

1107
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:35,040
i'm going to read it i'm going to remain

1108
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:36,640
objective i'm going to take a look at it

1109
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:38,240
because like you said

1110
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:39,520
they might have found some

1111
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:41,440
groundbreaking new

1112
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:43,359
information about it like you mentioned

1113
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:44,640
there's another witness that came

1114
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:46,000
forward which is

1115
00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:48,079
good it's just testimony but it's

1116
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:49,359
something so

1117
00:39:53,109 --> 00:39:52,400
yeah i'm gonna read it um and look it

1118
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:53,119
over and

1119
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:54,560
just like everything else in the field

1120
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:56,560
we're gonna debate it to the end of time

1121
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:58,720
we're not going to find any answers and

1122
00:40:01,910 --> 00:40:00,000
we're going to move on to the next

1123
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:01,920
mystery because that's what we do

1124
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:04,240
we continue to chase the mystery i mean

1125
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:05,040
this this

1126
00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:08,400
is a a very interesting field to be

1127
00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:10,240
involved in and

1128
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:12,560
you know we're dealing with you know

1129
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:14,720
like i said an unsolvable mystery here

1130
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:16,960
but but one that's very polarizing too

1131
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:17,760
and a lot of

1132
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:20,800
these rabbit holes you go down you know

1133
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:24,000
can be quite quite shady to some um

1134
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:26,480
and as are the personalities involved

1135
00:40:29,349 --> 00:40:27,680
and

1136
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:29,359
i've had to learn over the years to be

1137
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:31,040
more tolerant of that

1138
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:32,720
you know just because somebody has an

1139
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:34,800
affiliation with somebody else

1140
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:36,480
it doesn't mean i discount their work

1141
00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:38,720
right you know completely

1142
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:41,760
i've known paula for for many many years

1143
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:43,440
you know she's been a friend

1144
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:46,400
um but you're right i mean many people

1145
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:48,640
view her as having a credibility problem

1146
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:50,000
because of the people she's

1147
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,599
she's associated herself with and some

1148
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:53,280
of the work she's done i mean she was a

1149
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:56,240
big big corso person she worked you know

1150
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:56,800
uh

1151
00:41:01,589 --> 00:40:59,920
very closely with with colonel corso and

1152
00:41:03,670 --> 00:41:01,599
uh

1153
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:03,680
jaime musan you know that's somebody

1154
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:04,640
that she's also

1155
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:07,280
you know very very close with and you

1156
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:08,800
know we could throw that right back in

1157
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:09,839
my face too

1158
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:13,040
i mean i've said this before but jaime

1159
00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:14,560
for

1160
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:16,720
very strange reasons was actually at my

1161
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:18,160
wedding right

1162
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:21,200
so i guess i have credibility issues too

1163
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:24,319
um we all do brother

1164
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:26,720
all of these people it doesn't matter

1165
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:28,000
how i view

1166
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:30,720
personally their research or the things

1167
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:33,359
they personally believe

1168
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:35,280
i can still consider them my friends and

1169
00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:36,640
i do i mean

1170
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:38,319
that's something that i think is hugely

1171
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:40,960
missing right now our ufo conferences

1172
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:42,640
because we've talked about this so much

1173
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:45,280
over the years ryan but

1174
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:48,400
social media is you know people sitting

1175
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:49,440
behind computers

1176
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:52,400
and and not being humans with each other

1177
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:54,160
not interacting not having civil

1178
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:55,920
conversations and understanding

1179
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:58,319
that we all have this common interest we

1180
00:42:00,550 --> 00:42:00,160
don't all believe the same things and we

1181
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:00,560
shouldn't

1182
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:02,720
and we don't have to because ufos is not

1183
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:04,640
a religion we're all going

1184
00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:05,920
through this journey ourselves and

1185
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:07,680
making our own determinations

1186
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:09,119
but we're still all people with this

1187
00:42:13,349 --> 00:42:10,800
interest and

1188
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:13,359
we're all still humans we are part of a

1189
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:14,240
society

1190
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:17,119
and when you go to ufo conferences you

1191
00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:18,800
understand that you feel

1192
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:21,839
part of this community where people have

1193
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:22,960
differing viewpoints

1194
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:25,280
but you're still part of that community

1195
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:27,119
you still are civil to each other

1196
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:30,240
and you have civil debate

1197
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:32,640
you discuss ideas and share ideas and

1198
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:34,400
communicate with each other like humans

1199
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:36,319
not attacking viciously like you do

1200
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:37,839
behind a computer screen

1201
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:40,160
but that's something that you see at ufo

1202
00:42:43,109 --> 00:42:41,040
conferences

1203
00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:43,119
you see these people who and it'll be

1204
00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:44,480
great for people who have never been to

1205
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:46,079
ufo conference to go to one where some

1206
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:47,839
of these people are speakers

1207
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:51,040
and see people who they've only seen and

1208
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:51,760
assumed

1209
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:53,760
based on what they've experienced with

1210
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:54,960
social media that

1211
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:56,560
you know people are enemies or that they

1212
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:58,400
hate each other and see them going out

1213
00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:59,359
to lunch together

1214
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:01,520
grabbing drinks together sharing the

1215
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:03,839
stage together and being friends

1216
00:43:07,510 --> 00:43:06,240
most ufo researchers are friends at

1217
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:07,520
least that's how it's been

1218
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:09,599
i mean you go to ufo conference and you

1219
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:10,880
know i had to

1220
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:12,960
and you certainly too when uh you know

1221
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:14,640
we had you at the the international ufo

1222
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:15,520
conference

1223
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:18,319
um you know you're surrounded by these

1224
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:19,599
people these people who

1225
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:21,119
you know have been icons in the ufo

1226
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:24,560
research field for for decades

1227
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:26,560
and you you get the chance to interact

1228
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:28,160
with them to spend time with them

1229
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:31,119
as well as all the attendees i mean

1230
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:31,599
you're just

1231
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:33,440
it's kind of a weird family you know

1232
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:34,880
you're just part of the same crazy

1233
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:35,520
family

1234
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:37,599
it is a great feeling i love that i miss

1235
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:38,800
that and

1236
00:43:42,550 --> 00:43:41,599
most of the people in the ufo research

1237
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:42,560
community

1238
00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:44,240
i have become friends with over the

1239
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:46,160
years i still consider them my friends

1240
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:47,520
no matter how

1241
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:49,839
outlandish some of their research might

1242
00:43:53,190 --> 00:43:51,839
be or some of their personal beliefs

1243
00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:53,200
might be

1244
00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:56,240
they're still my friends you know i will

1245
00:44:00,309 --> 00:43:58,079
i try not to but i will publicly say

1246
00:44:01,990 --> 00:44:00,319
sometimes when i disagree with

1247
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:02,000
with certain people or i think that

1248
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:03,760
they're absolutely ridiculous

1249
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:06,400
um and are making unfounded claims and

1250
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:07,520
dangerously

1251
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:10,800
misinforming people but on the other

1252
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:11,359
hand

1253
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:14,400
i still consider them friends because

1254
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:15,520
although i joke about being an

1255
00:44:20,829 --> 00:44:17,839
extraterrestrial i am actually a human

1256
00:44:20,839 --> 00:44:36,710
sometimes

1257
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:38,309
i think he froze on me ryan i have a

1258
00:44:59,670 --> 00:44:41,040
frozen ryan face

1259
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:03,030
ryan was abducted ryan

1260
00:45:20,069 --> 00:45:09,430
it's okay ryan come back you're one of

1261
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:21,349
well that's what ryan gets for being in

1262
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:24,319
hawaii see magic happens in hawaii and i

1263
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:24,800
guess

1264
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:27,920
being frozen is part of that magic

1265
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:32,079
but to my point uh yeah ufo conferences

1266
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:33,520
are you know i didn't know what to

1267
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:35,200
expect the first time that i went to a

1268
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:36,400
ufo conference

1269
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:39,599
it was kind of a a unique experience but

1270
00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:41,200
then when i got personally involved

1271
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:44,240
in in organizing and running ufo

1272
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:45,119
conferences

1273
00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:47,520
it just changed my view completely um

1274
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:49,200
and one of the coolest things

1275
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:52,240
to witness ryan was like that experience

1276
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:53,359
that people would have when they would

1277
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:55,280
have that realization that

1278
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:57,920
not only were these ufo researchers that

1279
00:46:01,510 --> 00:46:00,000
people had read about and seen on tv

1280
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:01,520
approachable and they could you know

1281
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:03,440
have intimate

1282
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:05,520
uh one-on-one conversations with but

1283
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:07,280
also that realization of

1284
00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:10,640
oh people aren't yelling at each other

1285
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:12,800
people aren't hating on each other you

1286
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:13,680
know

1287
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:16,640
they're they're actually being social

1288
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:17,200
and

1289
00:46:21,270 --> 00:46:19,920
this is kind of interesting to see it's

1290
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:21,280
not what i expected at all

1291
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:23,359
so i love seeing that people get to

1292
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:28,319
experience that again soon

1293
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:31,359
absolutely and dude you killed it i know

1294
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:33,040
i was frozen there for

1295
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:34,960
a little bit everyone is commenting they

1296
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:36,800
got him yeah my um

1297
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:42,000
full disclosure i am off to me

1298
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:45,440
there we go um i am off the mainland so

1299
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:47,760
internet's been a little spotty so thank

1300
00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:49,440
you everyone for dealing with that

1301
00:46:53,829 --> 00:46:52,400
jason included um you vamped for me

1302
00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:53,839
brother you killed it i really

1303
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:55,359
appreciate it um

1304
00:47:01,829 --> 00:46:59,520
no you're so right yeah yeah um

1305
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:01,839
it's just like anything like it's the

1306
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:03,200
same with i'm like

1307
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:07,040
really really getting back into wwf

1308
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:10,160
lately which is hilarious peacock

1309
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:13,520
has um dropped every single pay-per-view

1310
00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:17,119
every monday night raw since like 1993

1311
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:19,280
on their streaming network and i'm just

1312
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:22,160
having a field day reliving my teenage

1313
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:23,280
years over there

1314
00:47:26,309 --> 00:47:25,280
but um you know you see the wrestlers

1315
00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:26,319
they're in there

1316
00:47:30,069 --> 00:47:28,640
killing each other and then after the

1317
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:30,079
show they're out having a beer

1318
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:32,640
they're best friends like a lot that's

1319
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:34,000
just how it goes

1320
00:47:38,069 --> 00:47:36,640
like there's one there's you get your

1321
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:38,079
information out there at these ufo

1322
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:40,079
conferences it might get heated you

1323
00:47:42,390 --> 00:47:41,520
might debate a lot of things because

1324
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:42,400
that's because

1325
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:44,720
because we're passionate and we we have

1326
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:46,400
very strong feelings and

1327
00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:47,920
convictions about certain things but

1328
00:47:52,309 --> 00:47:50,240
that doesn't mean you can't have a beer

1329
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:52,319
and hash it out after which is what we

1330
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:53,760
do um

1331
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:57,440
well let's um i guess move on to someone

1332
00:48:02,230 --> 00:47:58,240
else

1333
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:02,240
that's a good segue there yeah peacock

1334
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:04,240
that really is good job brother good

1335
00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:05,280
transition

1336
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:08,480
um coming to the peacock network which i

1337
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:10,079
highly recommend to everyone out there

1338
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:10,800
they got a

1339
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:13,920
ton of good shows on there is a new show

1340
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:17,440
starring musician demi lovato

1341
00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:20,640
uh she is i'm gonna read this right here

1342
00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:24,160
um unidentified with demi lovato which

1343
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:25,280
we will talk about

1344
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:27,440
follows lovato and her skeptical best

1345
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:29,760
friend matthew and her sister dallas

1346
00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:32,400
as they help uncover the truth about the

1347
00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:33,280
ufo

1348
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:35,200
phenomena good luck with that demi um

1349
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:37,599
while consulting with leading experts

1350
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:39,599
demi dallas and matthew will investigate

1351
00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:42,000
recent eyewitness encounters which is

1352
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:43,040
kind of cool

1353
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:45,760
um uncover secret government reports and

1354
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:46,960
conduct tests

1355
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:50,400
at known ufo hot spots so again

1356
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:52,880
this is another thing that i rushed to

1357
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:54,800
judgment on on social media

1358
00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:57,119
and i was all like really like there's

1359
00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:58,079
so many

1360
00:49:02,230 --> 00:49:00,960
ufo female researchers who should be

1361
00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:02,240
doing this blah blah blah

1362
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:05,119
but um she's very passionate you can

1363
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:05,680
tell

1364
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:07,920
i know demi's had her own ufo

1365
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:09,040
experiences

1366
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:10,800
and the fact that they're looking at

1367
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:13,440
modern day eyewitness accounts and doing

1368
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:14,400
tests

1369
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:16,640
that's awesome i think that's gonna be

1370
00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:17,760
really cool

1371
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:19,839
um it's only gonna be like a three or

1372
00:49:23,349 --> 00:49:21,280
four part series

1373
00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:23,359
so it's not like this thing is like you

1374
00:49:26,309 --> 00:49:25,040
know gonna turn into the next ufo

1375
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:26,319
hunters it could

1376
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:27,839
maybe she'll get picked up and they'll

1377
00:49:31,349 --> 00:49:30,000
keep doing this for years and years but

1378
00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:31,359
um what do you think what do you think

1379
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:33,680
of the demi lovato news in this new show

1380
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:36,240
coming to peacock you know i'm kind of

1381
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:38,480
desensitized at this point because this

1382
00:49:41,910 --> 00:49:40,079
has become an old hat

1383
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:41,920
right i mean so many celebrities have

1384
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:44,160
had ufo and ufo-related shows

1385
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:47,520
so this isn't something new and it makes

1386
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:48,000
sense

1387
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:50,000
from a marketing perspective and that's

1388
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:52,240
what tv is it's not about

1389
00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:55,440
uncovering truth about ufos or educating

1390
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:56,319
the public

1391
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:58,559
it's about entertainment that's what tv

1392
00:50:01,829 --> 00:50:00,240
is they want ratings

1393
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:01,839
so you know that's why you go to

1394
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:03,839
celebrities to host your show

1395
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:07,280
but you know william shatner does ufos

1396
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:10,000
uh you know remember sean ryder in the

1397
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:12,000
uk did a show about ufos

1398
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:13,920
um the osborne's have done ufos the

1399
00:50:18,549 --> 00:50:15,839
kardashians have done ufos

1400
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:18,559
i mean this is celebrities and ufos have

1401
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:20,160
have been a thing

1402
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:22,640
for so long i mean going back in the day

1403
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:24,800
jonathan frakes hosted a ufo show

1404
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:27,839
it was a mystery show but yeah i mean

1405
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:30,160
this is something that is not new and i

1406
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:31,280
totally understand

1407
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:33,280
because i work in marketing this is

1408
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:34,640
makes total sense

1409
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:37,839
but i i think it's great because i've

1410
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:39,440
always been a proponent of

1411
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:41,359
highlighting celebrities who speak

1412
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:42,800
publicly about ufos

1413
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:45,040
for the same reason that people you know

1414
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:46,400
do the same thing for

1415
00:50:49,829 --> 00:50:49,280
for military people speaking about ufos

1416
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:49,839
you know

1417
00:50:52,870 --> 00:50:51,920
one certainly that lends a little more

1418
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:52,880
credibility

1419
00:50:56,069 --> 00:50:55,200
however celebrities have a much wider

1420
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:56,079
audience

1421
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:58,559
so when you can have people who have a

1422
00:51:01,510 --> 00:50:59,520
gigantic

1423
00:51:02,870 --> 00:51:01,520
you know millions of millions of

1424
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:02,880
followers who

1425
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:04,880
not only listen to what you say but when

1426
00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:06,240
it comes to celebrities

1427
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:09,040
as crazy as it is this is the reality

1428
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:10,880
they have millions of people

1429
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:14,400
who will believe what

1430
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:17,440
their heroes believe they will

1431
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:20,160
want to do what their heroes do so if

1432
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:20,960
they hear

1433
00:51:25,990 --> 00:51:23,200
somebody they idolize say i believe in

1434
00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:26,000
ufos or i've seen ufos

1435
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:28,880
or i'm going to go and do this and

1436
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:31,040
investigate ufos

1437
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:32,800
you've got millions of people who are

1438
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:34,400
all of a sudden who might not have

1439
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:35,440
considered that before

1440
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:38,160
going wow well if this person believes

1441
00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:40,319
ufos then then maybe i should

1442
00:51:45,270 --> 00:51:43,040
take a look at this and if they're going

1443
00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:45,280
to these hot spots and doing tests

1444
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:47,440
maybe that's something i want to do you

1445
00:51:50,230 --> 00:51:49,760
know and it opens people up to doing

1446
00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:50,240
their

1447
00:51:53,829 --> 00:51:52,480
own research into ufos and that is the

1448
00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:53,839
most important thing

1449
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:56,079
you and i brother we are proponents of

1450
00:51:59,910 --> 00:51:57,760
public education when it comes to this

1451
00:52:02,230 --> 00:51:59,920
reaching out to the general public

1452
00:52:04,069 --> 00:52:02,240
giving them information uh you know

1453
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:04,079
objective unbiased information

1454
00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:05,760
and encouraging people to do their own

1455
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:07,040
research and i think when you have

1456
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:08,160
celebrities involved

1457
00:52:12,870 --> 00:52:11,200
that's exactly what it does you know

1458
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:12,880
that's exactly what

1459
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:15,920
to the stars academy did with tom delong

1460
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:18,800
that is you know really it opened the

1461
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:19,599
doors to

1462
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:21,920
a lot of the stuff we're seeing today

1463
00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:23,520
you know people can

1464
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:26,319
can bad mouth all tom all they want and

1465
00:52:30,309 --> 00:52:27,920
and think that there was

1466
00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:30,319
you know some crazy shenanigans that

1467
00:52:35,349 --> 00:52:32,160
went down that led to

1468
00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:35,359
to lou and everybody else departing but

1469
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:38,000
the reality is lou wouldn't have had a

1470
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:40,000
platform and nobody would have cared

1471
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:41,680
if he hadn't been part of tom delong's

1472
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:43,760
organization and had that stage

1473
00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:46,240
and it would have wouldn't have wouldn't

1474
00:52:50,950 --> 00:52:47,200
have had the impact

1475
00:52:52,390 --> 00:52:50,960
that it has so i think celebrity uh

1476
00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:52,400
celebrities speaking out on this topic

1477
00:52:58,390 --> 00:52:55,040
is incredibly valuable incredibly huge

1478
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:58,400
but on the other hand being somebody in

1479
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:59,040
this field

1480
00:53:01,910 --> 00:53:00,000
you know i always have that same

1481
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:01,920
reaction as you ryan well oh really

1482
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:04,079
there's so many better people who are

1483
00:53:08,549 --> 00:53:06,720
well equipped for doing this

1484
00:53:10,390 --> 00:53:08,559
legitimately right we're looking at it

1485
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:10,400
from a research standpoint from doing

1486
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:12,640
actual investigation that's not what

1487
00:53:17,670 --> 00:53:14,640
tv's about it really isn't

1488
00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:17,680
that's so true and also i always have

1489
00:53:20,230 --> 00:53:18,640
the same reaction as

1490
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:20,240
not always but most most of the time

1491
00:53:26,069 --> 00:53:21,760
with the same reaction as you t i'm all

1492
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:27,829
they wanted me and they were asking me

1493
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:29,280
who they should have on that show with

1494
00:53:33,990 --> 00:53:29,680
me

1495
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:34,000
is such a good point

1496
00:53:39,109 --> 00:53:37,440
full disclosure um i

1497
00:53:42,230 --> 00:53:39,119
i don't think i even shared this with

1498
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:42,240
you jason i was approached by nbc

1499
00:53:46,630 --> 00:53:44,960
for a show just like this so i'm

1500
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:46,640
thinking this is what it turned out to

1501
00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:47,119
be

1502
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:49,760
and they got demi lovato and but you're

1503
00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:52,079
you're so right brother i was bitter

1504
00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:55,520
it was stupid and there's no you know

1505
00:53:58,950 --> 00:53:57,200
i have been a proponent of getting

1506
00:53:59,670 --> 00:53:58,960
younger people involved for so many

1507
00:54:01,910 --> 00:53:59,680
years

1508
00:54:04,150 --> 00:54:01,920
for so for me to immediately shame a

1509
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:04,160
celebrity for having an interest in the

1510
00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:04,960
topic

1511
00:54:08,069 --> 00:54:07,440
um having an experience within that

1512
00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:08,079
topic

1513
00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:09,520
and then going out to investigate it

1514
00:54:13,349 --> 00:54:11,200
like i have no place doing that

1515
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:13,359
and like you said um she's going to

1516
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:15,760
bring so many younger people

1517
00:54:19,589 --> 00:54:18,720
uh into this world to look at the topic

1518
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:19,599
and like you said

1519
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:20,960
that's what we're all about public

1520
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:23,280
education and while it may be tv

1521
00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:25,680
there's always a small nugget of

1522
00:54:29,589 --> 00:54:27,280
learning in these shows

1523
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:29,599
um but yeah first and foremost it's

1524
00:54:32,710 --> 00:54:30,559
entertainment

1525
00:54:34,950 --> 00:54:32,720
second of all it's infotainment so

1526
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:34,960
hopefully we'll see some new cases

1527
00:54:38,789 --> 00:54:37,280
some new witness testimony and uh

1528
00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:38,799
hopefully some awesome

1529
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:41,200
scientific experiments if she's really

1530
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:42,240
gonna go down that route

1531
00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:44,160
yeah but here's the thing i mean again

1532
00:54:49,829 --> 00:54:47,760
back to our earlier point of

1533
00:54:51,030 --> 00:54:49,839
the the damage that it can do being a

1534
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:51,040
ufo fan

1535
00:54:55,030 --> 00:54:53,760
and you know coming out and just pushing

1536
00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:55,040
everything

1537
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:57,280
even remotely related to ufos like this

1538
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:59,280
show like telling everybody oh go watch

1539
00:55:02,230 --> 00:55:00,000
this show

1540
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:02,240
yeah it's a celebrity hosted show about

1541
00:55:05,589 --> 00:55:04,160
ufos it's going to be on peacock

1542
00:55:07,270 --> 00:55:05,599
you must watch this show because it's

1543
00:55:09,190 --> 00:55:07,280
about ufos

1544
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:09,200
i wouldn't go that far you know i think

1545
00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:10,480
people who are just getting into this

1546
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:11,520
it's fine to watch

1547
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:13,280
but at the same time shows like this and

1548
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:14,880
and knowing dummy and probably some of

1549
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:16,000
those experiments that are going to

1550
00:55:18,309 --> 00:55:16,720
happen

1551
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:18,319
are probably going to be based on

1552
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:20,160
stephen grier's work and

1553
00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:21,599
i wouldn't be surprised if steven greer

1554
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:23,359
makes an appearance because you know

1555
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:25,839
she has you've been vocal about her

1556
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:27,040
experiences

1557
00:55:30,549 --> 00:55:29,280
with uh with steven greer and the the

1558
00:55:33,270 --> 00:55:30,559
experiences that she's had

1559
00:55:34,950 --> 00:55:33,280
so i would not doubt for a second that

1560
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:34,960
that's going to be an element of this

1561
00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:35,680
show

1562
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:38,079
which you know we could debate and you

1563
00:55:40,630 --> 00:55:39,680
know wonder how much harm that's going

1564
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:40,640
to cause

1565
00:55:46,069 --> 00:55:43,839
but really we can really

1566
00:55:46,950 --> 00:55:46,079
chill out take a chill pill and step

1567
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:46,960
back and relax

1568
00:55:50,549 --> 00:55:49,599
and say look it's a tv show if it gets

1569
00:55:53,589 --> 00:55:50,559
people interested

1570
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:53,599
that's fantastic you know again ufos is

1571
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:55,119
not a religion we're not preaching to

1572
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:55,760
people

1573
00:56:05,109 --> 00:55:59,280
that

1574
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:05,119
i'm honestly i think it's great i think

1575
00:56:09,190 --> 00:56:06,319
any ufo show

1576
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:09,200
is is good i'm glad there's that content

1577
00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:10,480
and i'm glad that people

1578
00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:13,520
are are being exposed from from

1579
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:16,079
all sorts of angles being exposed to the

1580
00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:16,880
fact that

1581
00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:20,240
ufos are real so yeah yep and uh

1582
00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:22,000
i didn't mean for anyone to catch my

1583
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:23,200
little face palm there when you

1584
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:23,760
mentioned

1585
00:56:28,870 --> 00:56:25,920
steven grier i was supposed to keep you

1586
00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:31,109
yeah we again like if that turns out to

1587
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:32,640
be the case um

1588
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:36,000
so be it um but hey that's that's

1589
00:56:40,390 --> 00:56:38,480
infotainment i guess well let's talk a

1590
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:40,400
little about um

1591
00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:42,960
not entertainment but uh some actual

1592
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:44,160
mainstream

1593
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:46,240
coverage that the ufo topics got in

1594
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:48,480
recently i mean we had uh

1595
00:56:52,549 --> 00:56:50,720
what we have gideon lewis krauss came

1596
00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:52,559
out with that massive beast of an

1597
00:56:56,549 --> 00:56:54,240
article in the new yorker

1598
00:56:58,950 --> 00:56:56,559
and then um just yesterday or the day

1599
00:57:00,950 --> 00:56:58,960
before ezra klein came out with an

1600
00:57:03,190 --> 00:57:00,960
article in the new york times

1601
00:57:04,069 --> 00:57:03,200
so did you have a chance to read either

1602
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:04,079
of these

1603
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:07,200
jason and any new stuff or revelations

1604
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:08,240
you took away from them

1605
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:10,000
or yeah just your gut feeling about

1606
00:57:15,270 --> 00:57:12,480
these two uh mainstream articles

1607
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:15,280
in uh the new yorker and new york times

1608
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:17,359
yeah so i did read these and

1609
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:20,319
ultimately what what i think the big

1610
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:22,400
takeaway here is

1611
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:25,440
um and what i mainly get from it seeing

1612
00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:26,400
this kind of stuff

1613
00:57:33,109 --> 00:57:29,839
is that exactly what we want to see

1614
00:57:37,109 --> 00:57:33,119
from everyday people finally

1615
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:37,119
you know taking the chance to

1616
00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:40,000
peer through the stigma and say okay

1617
00:57:44,549 --> 00:57:41,200
i've been seeing all this

1618
00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:44,559
this ufo banter going on and these ufo

1619
00:57:50,069 --> 00:57:47,040
headlines and ufo videos

1620
00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:50,079
what is this all about because in my

1621
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:51,839
mind ufos are just silly

1622
00:57:55,349 --> 00:57:53,520
so they actually take a look they see

1623
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:55,359
what's going on they see that

1624
00:57:58,710 --> 00:57:56,640
the military is talking about this the

1625
00:58:01,990 --> 00:57:58,720
pentagon is talking about this

1626
00:58:05,349 --> 00:58:02,000
we have authenticated videos from

1627
00:58:08,230 --> 00:58:05,359
from from the pentagon and we're seeing

1628
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:08,240
that ufos are a thing we don't know what

1629
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:08,880
they are

1630
00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:12,000
we know that the military is

1631
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:14,079
giving us a narrative that there are

1632
00:58:18,069 --> 00:58:15,920
unidentified objects

1633
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:18,079
that their pilots are encountering and

1634
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:19,520
their pilots

1635
00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:21,280
are outmaneuvered they even if they

1636
00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:23,520
needed to to engage these things they

1637
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:23,920
are

1638
00:58:29,349 --> 00:58:26,960
unable to do so that is alarming

1639
00:58:30,390 --> 00:58:29,359
and i still don't think the large

1640
00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:30,400
majority like

1641
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:32,000
i know the large majority of the general

1642
00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:33,440
public still

1643
00:58:38,870 --> 00:58:36,160
has not accepted that fact that we have

1644
00:58:40,549 --> 00:58:38,880
unknowns in our airspace

1645
00:58:42,549 --> 00:58:40,559
for whatever reason it's very strange

1646
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:42,559
and i think the alien part of it

1647
00:58:45,510 --> 00:58:44,079
really gets mixed into there so they

1648
00:58:46,789 --> 00:58:45,520
just dismiss it and say oh of course

1649
00:58:49,829 --> 00:58:46,799
there aren't aliens

1650
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:49,839
but number one we don't know that but

1651
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:50,960
number two

1652
00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:53,599
that's kind of inconsequential to the

1653
00:58:56,230 --> 00:58:54,240
very

1654
00:58:58,390 --> 00:58:56,240
basic fact that ufos are real we're

1655
00:59:01,190 --> 00:58:58,400
still back at that that very baby step

1656
00:59:02,230 --> 00:59:01,200
of of the public knowing that ufos are

1657
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:02,240
in fact real

1658
00:59:06,549 --> 00:59:04,960
um what they are is the big question so

1659
00:59:08,710 --> 00:59:06,559
the one in the uh

1660
00:59:09,829 --> 00:59:08,720
the opinion piece in the new york times

1661
00:59:11,109 --> 00:59:09,839
i'm talking about uh you know

1662
00:59:13,109 --> 00:59:11,119
considering aliens

1663
00:59:14,549 --> 00:59:13,119
uh i was put off by the title at first

1664
00:59:16,710 --> 00:59:14,559
because that's something that

1665
00:59:17,750 --> 00:59:16,720
i think a lot of people especially with

1666
00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:17,760
a lot of the

1667
00:59:21,990 --> 00:59:20,000
recent videos and even some of the the

1668
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:22,000
military narrative being pushed

1669
00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:23,680
is that we're dealing with

1670
00:59:28,390 --> 00:59:26,240
extraterrestrial spacecraft

1671
00:59:30,150 --> 00:59:28,400
that is jumping the gun in my opinion

1672
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:30,160
it's certainly a possibility and one

1673
00:59:33,990 --> 00:59:31,680
that an objective researcher

1674
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:34,000
can always entertain and i certainly

1675
00:59:38,069 --> 00:59:35,040
always keep that

1676
00:59:39,750 --> 00:59:38,079
possibility but you know that is jumping

1677
00:59:41,109 --> 00:59:39,760
the gun without sufficient evidence to

1678
00:59:45,270 --> 00:59:41,119
support that

1679
00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:45,280
and i think it's kind of insulting to

1680
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:47,440
it's insulting and embarrassing i think

1681
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:49,680
for for people to

1682
00:59:53,750 --> 00:59:52,640
jump to extraterrestrial just because

1683
00:59:56,069 --> 00:59:53,760
it's something that

1684
00:59:57,589 --> 00:59:56,079
is strange to us or or we don't

1685
00:59:59,270 --> 00:59:57,599
personally understand

1686
01:00:00,870 --> 00:59:59,280
we see that a lot with ancient aliens

1687
01:00:03,030 --> 01:00:00,880
with with the pyramids

1688
01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:03,040
you know and i think that's insulting to

1689
01:00:08,549 --> 01:00:04,559
the humans who

1690
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:08,559
did uh die building the pyramids and

1691
01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:10,319
doing incredible things humans have

1692
01:00:14,549 --> 01:00:12,160
accomplished incredible things i have a

1693
01:00:16,150 --> 01:00:14,559
low opinion of of humans i think humans

1694
01:00:18,390 --> 01:00:16,160
are pretty awful most of the time

1695
01:00:19,349 --> 01:00:18,400
so i think you know for me to say that

1696
01:00:21,270 --> 01:00:19,359
is pretty huge

1697
01:00:22,390 --> 01:00:21,280
but i do think humans have accomplished

1698
01:00:24,549 --> 01:00:22,400
quite a lot

1699
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:24,559
and uh i do think there's a lot that

1700
01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:26,240
happens in our world and things we

1701
01:00:30,630 --> 01:00:27,280
experience

1702
01:00:31,910 --> 01:00:30,640
that you know we we can't explain in the

1703
01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:31,920
moment things that are strange and

1704
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:33,119
bizarre to us

1705
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:35,520
but to say i don't know what that is

1706
01:00:40,230 --> 01:00:36,960
therefore aliens

1707
01:00:42,789 --> 01:00:40,240
is it's it's really stupid it is it's

1708
01:00:44,309 --> 01:00:42,799
irresponsible it's not scientific and

1709
01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:44,319
it's the wrong way to go

1710
01:00:48,069 --> 01:00:46,079
um if we are being visited by

1711
01:00:49,510 --> 01:00:48,079
extraterrestrials

1712
01:00:52,150 --> 01:00:49,520
you know still i think that kind of

1713
01:00:54,309 --> 01:00:52,160
thinking is irresponsible

1714
01:00:55,990 --> 01:00:54,319
to just say i don't know what that is

1715
01:00:58,870 --> 01:00:56,000
that's bizarre um

1716
01:00:59,750 --> 01:00:58,880
on on these uh you know computer systems

1717
01:01:02,069 --> 01:00:59,760
on these uh

1718
01:01:03,990 --> 01:01:02,079
you know satellites and different things

1719
01:01:04,870 --> 01:01:04,000
this dot looks weird so it must be

1720
01:01:07,349 --> 01:01:04,880
aliens

1721
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:07,359
i i don't think that helps move ufo

1722
01:01:11,030 --> 01:01:08,880
research forward at all

1723
01:01:12,549 --> 01:01:11,040
i think that's sloppy and i think again

1724
01:01:15,030 --> 01:01:12,559
to our previous point

1725
01:01:16,789 --> 01:01:15,040
that just opens the door to more ufo

1726
01:01:19,190 --> 01:01:16,799
ridicule and people

1727
01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:19,200
not being willing to take the ufo

1728
01:01:24,230 --> 01:01:20,960
subject seriously

1729
01:01:26,230 --> 01:01:24,240
yeah absolutely and i think uh the thing

1730
01:01:29,270 --> 01:01:26,240
to keep in mind with these two

1731
01:01:31,589 --> 01:01:29,280
recent articles that came out with um

1732
01:01:32,950 --> 01:01:31,599
uh i believe there's gonna be a podcast

1733
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:32,960
attached to one of them

1734
01:01:36,870 --> 01:01:35,359
i believe it was the new yorker magazine

1735
01:01:39,109 --> 01:01:36,880
they're doing a podcast cool

1736
01:01:40,470 --> 01:01:39,119
that's again like this is the stuff that

1737
01:01:41,829 --> 01:01:40,480
sheds the stigma

1738
01:01:43,829 --> 01:01:41,839
and i think that's what we're seeing

1739
01:01:47,750 --> 01:01:43,839
with the uap task force

1740
01:01:51,030 --> 01:01:47,760
uh as well is destigmatizing it

1741
01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:51,040
so that the pilots and the carrier crew

1742
01:01:55,510 --> 01:01:52,960
members will come forward

1743
01:01:56,150 --> 01:01:55,520
you know adam kehoe this uh this guy who

1744
01:01:59,510 --> 01:01:56,160
writes

1745
01:02:01,589 --> 01:01:59,520
his own blog he put it best that

1746
01:02:04,150 --> 01:02:01,599
one of the biggest threats isn't the

1747
01:02:05,910 --> 01:02:04,160
ufos themselves it's not reporting it

1748
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:05,920
because it could be a threat but it's

1749
01:02:08,789 --> 01:02:07,680
not getting reported and that's because

1750
01:02:11,510 --> 01:02:08,799
of the stigma

1751
01:02:13,349 --> 01:02:11,520
in it so um bravo to adam for covering

1752
01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:13,359
that i know he's not the first to do it

1753
01:02:17,109 --> 01:02:15,760
but he he put it so concisely and i

1754
01:02:20,230 --> 01:02:17,119
think that's what we're seeing

1755
01:02:22,549 --> 01:02:20,240
you know we're seeing literally almost

1756
01:02:23,750 --> 01:02:22,559
you know without even a day in between

1757
01:02:26,789 --> 01:02:23,760
all of these mainstream

1758
01:02:28,549 --> 01:02:26,799
outlets covering ufos again and whether

1759
01:02:30,390 --> 01:02:28,559
that's a concerted effort by certain

1760
01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:30,400
individuals to get this out

1761
01:02:36,789 --> 01:02:34,400
there or it's because of the pending uap

1762
01:02:38,950 --> 01:02:36,799
report countdown i mean we're getting

1763
01:02:40,390 --> 01:02:38,960
excited the public is getting excited

1764
01:02:42,950 --> 01:02:40,400
what is the pentagon

1765
01:02:44,549 --> 01:02:42,960
gonna say probably not a whole lot i'm

1766
01:02:46,789 --> 01:02:44,559
still under that assumption

1767
01:02:48,150 --> 01:02:46,799
um the good stuff is possibly what's

1768
01:02:51,349 --> 01:02:48,160
getting leaked right now

1769
01:02:53,349 --> 01:02:51,359
um or or not i don't know but um yeah i

1770
01:02:56,470 --> 01:02:53,359
think the thing to keep in mind always

1771
01:02:58,789 --> 01:02:56,480
is uh ufos are real

1772
01:02:59,510 --> 01:02:58,799
you put it best brother the government

1773
01:03:00,789 --> 01:02:59,520
in the u.s

1774
01:03:02,710 --> 01:03:00,799
and other governments around the world

1775
01:03:05,349 --> 01:03:02,720
have acknowledged that ufos

1776
01:03:07,109 --> 01:03:05,359
exist that is while it may be a baby

1777
01:03:08,789 --> 01:03:07,119
step it's a huge step

1778
01:03:10,150 --> 01:03:08,799
in the evolution of the discourse on

1779
01:03:11,510 --> 01:03:10,160
this topic so

1780
01:03:12,870 --> 01:03:11,520
i think that's pretty awesome so for

1781
01:03:14,549 --> 01:03:12,880
researchers need to keep in mind and

1782
01:03:16,069 --> 01:03:14,559
it's a hard one too i mean for people

1783
01:03:18,549 --> 01:03:16,079
who have been hyper focused on this for

1784
01:03:20,549 --> 01:03:18,559
so many years you know we forget that we

1785
01:03:21,670 --> 01:03:20,559
forget that so often because we live and

1786
01:03:24,390 --> 01:03:21,680
read this stuff

1787
01:03:25,990 --> 01:03:24,400
but we need to always remember that

1788
01:03:27,510 --> 01:03:26,000
we're still back at that initial baby

1789
01:03:30,630 --> 01:03:27,520
step with the general public

1790
01:03:33,270 --> 01:03:30,640
the general public still doesn't realize

1791
01:03:34,470 --> 01:03:33,280
and still doesn't accept that ufos are

1792
01:03:36,470 --> 01:03:34,480
actually a thing

1793
01:03:39,510 --> 01:03:36,480
you know it's why you always see the

1794
01:03:42,630 --> 01:03:39,520
things are ufos real

1795
01:03:43,109 --> 01:03:42,640
we're back at that step so we are but uh

1796
01:03:45,910 --> 01:03:43,119
you know

1797
01:03:46,789 --> 01:03:45,920
it's it's such a perf a profound

1798
01:03:49,670 --> 01:03:46,799
question

1799
01:03:49,990 --> 01:03:49,680
that that baby step is actually huge

1800
01:03:52,630 --> 01:03:50,000
it's

1801
01:03:54,150 --> 01:03:52,640
absolutely huge and i think we really

1802
01:03:56,950 --> 01:03:54,160
are

1803
01:03:58,950 --> 01:03:56,960
i don't like to get too too hopeful but

1804
01:04:00,789 --> 01:03:58,960
i think we are in a paradigm shift in

1805
01:04:03,029 --> 01:04:00,799
how this topic is dealt with

1806
01:04:04,069 --> 01:04:03,039
um i think we're gonna see so much more

1807
01:04:07,109 --> 01:04:04,079
coming out

1808
01:04:08,870 --> 01:04:07,119
i'm super excited about all of it to be

1809
01:04:11,430 --> 01:04:08,880
completely honest but um

1810
01:04:12,230 --> 01:04:11,440
yeah i'm excited to hear what jason

1811
01:04:14,230 --> 01:04:12,240
mcclellan

1812
01:04:16,789 --> 01:04:14,240
is up to next we've been going for about

1813
01:04:18,710 --> 01:04:16,799
an hour jason thank you for giving me

1814
01:04:21,270 --> 01:04:18,720
your time brother to do all this

1815
01:04:23,589 --> 01:04:21,280
but um before we wrap things up what do

1816
01:04:25,589 --> 01:04:23,599
you got going on over at rogue planet

1817
01:04:27,589 --> 01:04:25,599
is there anything else you can share

1818
01:04:29,589 --> 01:04:27,599
with other projects you're possibly

1819
01:04:32,789 --> 01:04:29,599
doing in the ufo sphere

1820
01:04:35,190 --> 01:04:32,799
and yeah give it to us my man sure

1821
01:04:35,910 --> 01:04:35,200
so i guess a couple of things i can

1822
01:04:39,829 --> 01:04:35,920
share

1823
01:04:41,190 --> 01:04:39,839
is that i've got some some tv projects

1824
01:04:44,789 --> 01:04:41,200
in the works

1825
01:04:47,190 --> 01:04:44,799
um we've got some

1826
01:04:49,430 --> 01:04:47,200
show changes at rogue planet we're going

1827
01:04:52,470 --> 01:04:49,440
to be

1828
01:04:53,190 --> 01:04:52,480
modifying what we do with our ufo

1829
01:04:56,230 --> 01:04:53,200
podcast

1830
01:04:59,589 --> 01:04:56,240
unknown um probably

1831
01:05:01,750 --> 01:04:59,599
starting with with 2022 so

1832
01:05:02,789 --> 01:05:01,760
in the new year we're going to take on a

1833
01:05:04,630 --> 01:05:02,799
new format

1834
01:05:06,150 --> 01:05:04,640
um and that's all i'll say about that

1835
01:05:09,190 --> 01:05:06,160
but i'm really excited about that

1836
01:05:10,710 --> 01:05:09,200
and that involves you um you and i are

1837
01:05:13,990 --> 01:05:10,720
going to have some fun

1838
01:05:15,589 --> 01:05:14,000
in 2022 so that's cool um

1839
01:05:17,589 --> 01:05:15,599
and it might be on the same topic as

1840
01:05:19,670 --> 01:05:17,599
some upcoming tv stuff

1841
01:05:22,870 --> 01:05:19,680
and let's see how much more vague and

1842
01:05:24,870 --> 01:05:22,880
jeremy corbell like can i be

1843
01:05:26,230 --> 01:05:24,880
that's the problem with these projects

1844
01:05:27,670 --> 01:05:26,240
man um but

1845
01:05:28,950 --> 01:05:27,680
the other thing i can't announce is that

1846
01:05:31,190 --> 01:05:28,960
what we're another thing we're doing

1847
01:05:33,430 --> 01:05:31,200
with the podcast with with unknown

1848
01:05:34,309 --> 01:05:33,440
and the changes there is we are going to

1849
01:05:37,910 --> 01:05:34,319
separate out

1850
01:05:40,390 --> 01:05:37,920
our wildly popular ufo happy hour

1851
01:05:41,910 --> 01:05:40,400
and ufo happy hour is going to become

1852
01:05:45,430 --> 01:05:41,920
its own standalone

1853
01:05:47,270 --> 01:05:45,440
show so it will be a monthly podcast

1854
01:05:48,829 --> 01:05:47,280
that has a video component to as we'll

1855
01:05:51,990 --> 01:05:48,839
do the video as well

1856
01:05:54,230 --> 01:05:52,000
where ryan and i and our our fellow rug

1857
01:05:57,670 --> 01:05:54,240
planeteers will get together every month

1858
01:05:59,510 --> 01:05:57,680
grab a drink and talk about the ufo news

1859
01:06:01,990 --> 01:05:59,520
that has taken place and caught

1860
01:06:03,190 --> 01:06:02,000
headlines for that month so ufo happy

1861
01:06:06,470 --> 01:06:03,200
hour is going to be

1862
01:06:07,750 --> 01:06:06,480
its own standalone brand new show i'm

1863
01:06:09,670 --> 01:06:07,760
super excited man

1864
01:06:11,190 --> 01:06:09,680
tell us a little about uh the other

1865
01:06:11,829 --> 01:06:11,200
podcast too the one you're doing with

1866
01:06:14,230 --> 01:06:11,839
shane

1867
01:06:15,109 --> 01:06:14,240
over there as well at rogue planet oh

1868
01:06:17,670 --> 01:06:15,119
yeah so we

1869
01:06:19,670 --> 01:06:17,680
we recently rolled out a show called um

1870
01:06:21,430 --> 01:06:19,680
old-fashioned ufos

1871
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:21,440
and you know at rogue planet we

1872
01:06:27,510 --> 01:06:23,520
certainly like to drink

1873
01:06:29,990 --> 01:06:27,520
yay yeah yeah bourbon is gone

1874
01:06:31,109 --> 01:06:30,000
but uh so old-fashioned ufos we take two

1875
01:06:32,630 --> 01:06:31,119
things we love

1876
01:06:34,630 --> 01:06:32,640
old fashions so we drink an old

1877
01:06:37,349 --> 01:06:34,640
fashioned on the show and we talk about

1878
01:06:38,950 --> 01:06:37,359
old cases we're we're both fans of

1879
01:06:40,710 --> 01:06:38,960
historical cases i think historical

1880
01:06:42,390 --> 01:06:40,720
cases have immense value

1881
01:06:44,470 --> 01:06:42,400
and i think they get left behind a lot

1882
01:06:45,990 --> 01:06:44,480
because people in the ufo field are kind

1883
01:06:46,470 --> 01:06:46,000
of tired of hearing about them over and

1884
01:06:48,630 --> 01:06:46,480
over

1885
01:06:50,069 --> 01:06:48,640
but i think they have incredible value

1886
01:06:51,750 --> 01:06:50,079
and certainly

1887
01:06:55,109 --> 01:06:51,760
a lot of what we do at rogue planet is

1888
01:06:57,670 --> 01:06:55,119
not uh specific or catered to

1889
01:06:59,029 --> 01:06:57,680
to the ufo community you know a big big

1890
01:07:01,349 --> 01:06:59,039
important part of what we do

1891
01:07:03,430 --> 01:07:01,359
is is trying to to reach out to the

1892
01:07:05,990 --> 01:07:03,440
general public and educate

1893
01:07:07,750 --> 01:07:06,000
do public education so that's what we do

1894
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:07,760
we revisit these these old-fashioned

1895
01:07:11,430 --> 01:07:09,839
cases while drinking an old fashion

1896
01:07:14,069 --> 01:07:11,440
and uh you know kind of go through and

1897
01:07:15,990 --> 01:07:14,079
give an overview of of these old cases

1898
01:07:17,510 --> 01:07:16,000
the investigations that took place and

1899
01:07:20,549 --> 01:07:17,520
some of the conclusions so

1900
01:07:23,190 --> 01:07:20,559
that's been been a lot of fun awesome

1901
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:23,200
yeah i hope to um to partake in one of

1902
01:07:26,549 --> 01:07:24,480
those soon with you guys

1903
01:07:28,710 --> 01:07:26,559
because uh the minute you said

1904
01:07:31,990 --> 01:07:28,720
old-fashioned my stomach started

1905
01:07:34,069 --> 01:07:32,000
rumbling i'm uh i'm i'm feeding to get

1906
01:07:36,150 --> 01:07:34,079
back to my bartending job just so i can

1907
01:07:38,069 --> 01:07:36,160
make some drinks again and uh

1908
01:07:39,589 --> 01:07:38,079
part's sake with you guys um that's

1909
01:07:41,670 --> 01:07:39,599
that's awesome brother um

1910
01:07:43,670 --> 01:07:41,680
well i have some exciting news there is

1911
01:07:46,230 --> 01:07:43,680
a podcast that just dropped

1912
01:07:47,510 --> 01:07:46,240
recently called strange arrivals that's

1913
01:07:50,549 --> 01:07:47,520
over on uh

1914
01:07:52,630 --> 01:07:50,559
aaron menke's podcast network and it's

1915
01:07:56,230 --> 01:07:52,640
awesome it's hosted by toby ball

1916
01:07:59,670 --> 01:07:56,240
and um it's all about rendelsham and

1917
01:08:00,069 --> 01:07:59,680
um sort of the disinformation that has

1918
01:08:01,910 --> 01:08:00,079
been

1919
01:08:03,750 --> 01:08:01,920
kind of run rampant in the field

1920
01:08:05,750 --> 01:08:03,760
throughout the decades whether it's with

1921
01:08:07,750 --> 01:08:05,760
the intelligence community

1922
01:08:09,750 --> 01:08:07,760
a la richard dodie who might be even

1923
01:08:10,710 --> 01:08:09,760
watching this if you are richard we're

1924
01:08:13,990 --> 01:08:10,720
coming for you

1925
01:08:15,190 --> 01:08:14,000
um yeah so check out stranger rivals i

1926
01:08:17,510 --> 01:08:15,200
just dropped this first

1927
01:08:18,390 --> 01:08:17,520
episode with uh john burroughs and jim

1928
01:08:21,590 --> 01:08:18,400
peniston

1929
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:21,600
um i am featured in this podcast so that

1930
01:08:24,870 --> 01:08:23,520
is probably the ego driven reason i'm

1931
01:08:27,910 --> 01:08:24,880
bringing it up right now

1932
01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:27,920
but it actually has to do with um

1933
01:08:31,829 --> 01:08:30,400
with a lot of the topics discussed in an

1934
01:08:34,709 --> 01:08:31,839
upcoming guest of the show

1935
01:08:35,590 --> 01:08:34,719
uh his new book sausage spooks and kooks

1936
01:08:38,470 --> 01:08:35,600
by adam go

1937
01:08:40,630 --> 01:08:38,480
rightly i love this book man it's so

1938
01:08:42,390 --> 01:08:40,640
good i just i'm breezing through it

1939
01:08:43,749 --> 01:08:42,400
um a lot of the things you know that we

1940
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:43,759
know about the whole

1941
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:46,799
bennowitz affair and um you know linda

1942
01:08:50,229 --> 01:08:48,000
molten howe and

1943
01:08:52,309 --> 01:08:50,239
her cattle mutilation documentary and

1944
01:08:55,349 --> 01:08:52,319
how dodie was connected to that

1945
01:08:56,229 --> 01:08:55,359
and just a lot of the the um the process

1946
01:08:58,309 --> 01:08:56,239
of belief

1947
01:08:59,430 --> 01:08:58,319
in how it often clouds the judgment in

1948
01:09:01,749 --> 01:08:59,440
the ufo field

1949
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:01,759
and how intelligence communities might

1950
01:09:05,510 --> 01:09:03,359
take advantage of that

1951
01:09:06,950 --> 01:09:05,520
so are we possibly seeing a lot of that

1952
01:09:09,030 --> 01:09:06,960
happening right now

1953
01:09:10,630 --> 01:09:09,040
in the ufo field adam asks a lot of

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01:09:11,430 --> 01:09:10,640
these questions so we're going to have

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him on the show

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soon uh check out stranger rivals check

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out all the rogue planet podcasts

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and yeah anything else jason before we

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wrap things up here brother

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you know you're talking about rental

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show it made me think of two things

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number one it made me think of

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our buddy uh robbie graham just went to

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rental shrimp forest

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yeah his birthday that's awesome and we

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should also go there sometime and go

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with robbie and go to reynoldson force

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that would be rad

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but number two what would make an

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amazing drunken podcast sometime

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is to get some of the renders from guys

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on to

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we definitely need to have them drunk

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but to have them

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share some of their thoughts about

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just saying say about that just yep yeah

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we've we've heard some stories for sure

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awesome my man well more stories to be

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told in the coming days as

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this new video unravels into the

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mainstream by jeremy corbell new stories

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abound with tv shows podcasts everything

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so

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i want to thank everyone for watching

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for listening

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um thank you for dealing with my spotty

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internet jason

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and everyone in the audience and i have

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to thank you again for coming on summer

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in the skies today brother

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always a pleasure ryan i love you

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brother you too my man

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and we will cut it there thank you